BIAB lost piano

John Daugherty · Post by **John Daugherty** » 11 Jan 2006 12:06 pm

I tried to use my biab(2004) today. I am running XP Pro. When I play any of the styles(.sty) or any of my SGU song files the piano part is missing. I reloaded the biab program but nothing changed. It has always worked in the past. I even did a cold boot. Under "options" I tried 2 output drivers (MS GSwavetable SW)and (Roland VSC). Both worked, but no piano.
Wav files work okay in Media Player so I am assuming that the onboard sound card is working. It is the sgu and sty files in biab that do not have piano.
I realize that you can mute the piano at the top of the page by right clicking on it. I can mute any of the instruments. Although the piano is not muted, it is not there.
I am mystified... Can anyone help ?

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Erv Niehaus · Post by **Erv Niehaus** » 11 Jan 2006 12:32 pm

When you bring up BIAB, there is a row of instruments across the top of the screen. If you have a "dot" in the space for piano, it is silenced and you won't hear it. It works the same for all the other instruments, too.
Erv

George Wixon · Post by **George Wixon** » 11 Jan 2006 2:52 pm

John,
Try going to options and then click on "Return to Factory Settings" and then click on "Return All to Factory Settings (Including Midi) drivers and patch maps.
After doing this you will have to go back into the options and reset your midi drivers back up.
Doing this normally brings things back the way they were and you don't have to unload and reload the program.
George

John Daugherty · Post by **John Daugherty** » 11 Jan 2006 3:44 pm

Thanks Erv and George. I will try defaulting the settings. I did try setting midi drivers to default. I run biab in 2 computers, one works. I will try and compare the settings.
Erv, If a dot appears beside the "piano" in biab, you should still hear the piano. The dot selects the instrument for editing,such as, change instrument, change volume. The instrument is muted when you "right click" on it. It then changes color, showing you that it is muted. It is not muted in my songs. Selecting the mute function for piano makes no difference in my malfuntioning program.
I'll report back when I find a solution. It may help someone else who has this problem.

Howard Tate · Post by **Howard Tate** » 11 Jan 2006 5:27 pm

Sometimes you may need to click the "gm" at the top and send a gm message , or try the other options there. Usually when this changes it effects drums more, but it's worth a try. If that doesn't work, under Prefs >channels make sure piano is still on channel 3. Just reread Georges message, that will probably fix it, if not try my suggestions.

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John Daugherty · Post by **John Daugherty** » 12 Jan 2006 6:04 am

I learned that I can make biab work properly (with piano), by selecting "GM/send MIDI message/send general MIDI mode". I must select this every time I load the biab program.
I selected "auto send general MIDI mode(no patches)" but I still have to "send general Midi mode" each time I start the program.
I am still puzzled. I did set the factory defaults. Under "drivers" I selected "use onboard sound card". That works on my other computer.

Jack Stoner · Post by **Jack Stoner** » 12 Jan 2006 6:25 am

John, Did you run the driver wizard for the MIDI setup?

Tom Diemer · Post by **Tom Diemer** » 12 Jan 2006 6:37 am

Open the VSC program, you might have the piano muted in there. That would cause no piano even if it's selected to play in BIAB. (if you are using VSC as the midi device)

John Daugherty · Post by **John Daugherty** » 12 Jan 2006 5:45 pm

Jack, yes I ran the wizard.
Tom, I just made notes for all the settings I am using in the computer in which biab works properly. I noticed that I AM using the "sound canvas" as the sythesizer sound card. I don't think I have that selected in the malfunctioning computer. (One computer is at my nome. The other is 10 miles away in my shop).
Tomorrow I will configure the shop computer the same as the home computer and make sure I am using Virtual Sound Canvas as my synthesizer sound card.
I did look at VSC player in the malfuntioning computer. All the piano volumes were set at max.
Now that I think back, the trouble could have started after I did some "Render to wave" using the VSC method which is faster that the simple render method.
Again, I am very grateful for all the help from my good friends on the forum.

Tom Diemer · Post by **Tom Diemer** » 12 Jan 2006 6:00 pm

Ok John. Hope you find it. I was thinking that because I did it one time. I did a render to wave using VSC, muted the tracks and unmuted the one I wanted to record, so I could have seperate tracks of each of the parts. Sure enough, when I was done I'd left one muted (clickbox on the left on the VSC control screen). A week or so later something wouldn't play in BIAB - took me a while to figure out what I'd done.

There is an "unmute all" click on the bottom of the control console. Might be worth clicking just to be sure

John Daugherty · Post by **John Daugherty** » 17 Jan 2006 5:49 am

Thanks to all my friends for the suggestions. I finally got my piano back.
I found out that the piano player hadn't paid his union dues... hahaha.
Actually, I changed the synthesizer sound card driver to "General midi inst misc", which biab said would support any card.
b0b, you can close this topic.... thanks.