Paul Franklin - Together Again....How...?

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 4 May 2017 11:21 am

How does Paul get that huge string stretch? On Together Again, and other songs as well, I've always loved it.

In this clip at the 2:23 mark; I see him rocking his left leg but I can't tell what he is doing on the pedals or knees. It sure sounds like the 5th is being pulled from B to E. The bar stays on the same fret.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHfcqzhag0

Is that what you guys hear? 5th string raise? There are also other songs where he pulls two strings in unison that are the same type of long stretch. I don't have an example right now...

His copedent on the forum doesn't reflect a 5th string raise of that amount...

Dale Rivard · Post by **Dale Rivard** » 4 May 2017 11:52 am

Hi Tim, I don't have my steel set up right now so I don't know exactly which string groupings and pedal and knee lever combinations are being used but I believe the first part of the lick starts on the 2nd string lowered a whole tone. Then release to the open note, then raise a half tone, then release, then lower a whole tone again. Then he's re attacking the strings. strings 3,4 & 5, raise 5 a whole tone, then release.

Earnest Bovine · Post by **Earnest Bovine** » 4 May 2017 12:16 pm

Right. At 2:22, under the high Bb and G, the moving voice D E F E D is string 2 (two knee levers)
The at 2:24, under high A and F, the moving voice D to C is string 5 (A pedal)

Tim Heidner · Post by **Tim Heidner** » 4 May 2017 2:09 pm

I like how Vince just sits there listening and chuckling.

Jim Fogarty · Post by **Jim Fogarty** » 4 May 2017 2:19 pm

The "falling off the cliff" move @ 2:28-2:35 is what totally knocks me out. Sounds like a complete screwup is about to happen......but, of course, all three voices resolve perfectly.

Outstanding.

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 4 May 2017 2:37 pm

Hmmm... I really think I hear strings 3,4,5 there. He is on B & C pedals, and plays that lick through with those same strings ringing out.

I know I can get that lick using the 5th string, but if Paul is doing it some other, perhaps easier way, I would rather follow his lead.

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 5 May 2017 2:01 am

Earnest,

You are right on. Although this move could be completed with the 5th, it is the 2nd string with both raise/lower knees. I had a chance to sit down at the guitar this morning and I have it now.

Funny how the coolest sounds are right under our nose, lol.

Jim,

That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.

David Nugent · Post by **David Nugent** » 5 May 2017 3:57 am

Those bar slant moves that he executes in the solo are what knock me out!!

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 5 May 2017 4:30 am

@ 3;25 backslant tears me up..(as does all PF playing),looks like a little "showoff" for Vince.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w8CkHQJWo4

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 5 May 2017 11:06 am

Yes, Paul's backslants...

another trick I cannot master, lol. For some reason, I cannot get the hang of holding onto the bar while shifting it like that.

Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me.

Randy Schneider · Post by **Randy Schneider** » 5 May 2017 11:16 am

Tim Russell wrote:Yes, Paul's backslants...

Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me.

Tim,

There's a pretty good view of Paul's slants in this version from the Marty Stuart show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fScolqR-_Y

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 5 May 2017 12:45 pm

I can't do that with a 12 string bar, maybe with a 10 string, I play(own) S12s, and the bar is too long for me, I have to do a wrist backslant. May need to grow longer fingers. BF

Jeff Mead · Post by **Jeff Mead** » 5 May 2017 11:14 pm

Tim Russell wrote: That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.

Tim - would you be able to share how that one's done. It's lovely.

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 6 May 2017 2:24 am

Randy Schneider wrote:
Tim Russell wrote:Yes, Paul's backslants...

Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me.
Tim,

There's a pretty good view of Paul's slants in this version from the Marty Stuart show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fScolqR-_Y

Even with the good view, I have a hard time with it. My problem is, I lose grip on the bar, the down pressure. I can't figure how to grip it while pivoting it like that. Some guys have it, some don't.

Tim Russell wrote:

That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.

Tim - would you be able to share how that one's done. It's lovely.

Does anyone have that tabbed out or can share with Jeff how to do that descending run lick?

I can describe it here, but don't have time to tab. I'll do my best, hope this makes sense. It is really a super easy lick, but sounds difficult. A fantastic, awesome sound!

Start at 10th fret, A/B pedals; pick 4,5,6...then, 5,6,8. Then lower E-Eb knee. Slide back to 9th fret, pick 4th string, then 1rst string, slide back to 8th fret. Done!

I might add, look at Vince right after that run/lick...he loves it too.

Jeff Mead · Post by **Jeff Mead** » 6 May 2017 3:45 am

Thanks for that. I could hear the AB with the E lower but wouldn't have figured out adding string 1. I cant wait to try that when I get home.

David Nugent · Post by **David Nugent** » 6 May 2017 4:51 am

Once we master the reverse slant that Paul executes so well, perhaps we can begin the task of learning the 360 degree spin that Buddy would do on occasion.

Larry Behm · Post by **Larry Behm** » 6 May 2017 8:09 am

Notice how hard he picks the strings, it makes a difference.

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 6 May 2017 11:14 am

Larry Behm wrote:Notice how hard he picks the strings, it makes a difference.

Yes, I did notice his hard attack on the strings. He emphasizes passages very well with that.

Once we master the reverse slant that Paul executes so well, perhaps we can begin the task of learning the 360 degree spin that Buddy would do on occasion.

I have heard of Buddy doing that - unreal! Does anyone, by any chance, have a video of him spinning it like that?

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 6 May 2017 1:02 pm

Tim..@ 3;00. & 5;30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55W8kMDm6_w

Jim Fogarty · Post by **Jim Fogarty** » 6 May 2017 1:07 pm

Bill Ford wrote:Tim..@ 3;00. & 5;30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55W8kMDm6_w

5:30 is a complete 360........3:00 is just a regular slant, then he picks up the bar.

All cool stuff, though!

Bill Ford · Post by **Bill Ford** » 6 May 2017 1:22 pm

Buddy didn't do anything "regular" my 2 cents.LOL

Jim Fogarty wrote:
Bill Ford wrote:Tim..@ 3;00. & 5;30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55W8kMDm6_w
5:30 is a complete 360........3:00 is just a regular slant, then he picks up the bar.

All cool stuff, though!

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 7 May 2017 3:47 am

I'll get right to work on that 360, lol.

If you think my guitar has bar dings now, just wait...

That is just simply amazing, especially 5:30. Thanks for posting the video. I wonder, has any other steeler, pro or otherwise done that?

David Nugent · Post by **David Nugent** » 7 May 2017 4:01 am

Not quite certain, (with the guitar player egging him on) thought that I noticed one of them actually being a double spin??

Tim Russell · Post by **Tim Russell** » 7 May 2017 12:54 pm

David Nugent wrote:Not quite certain, (with the guitar player egging him on) thought that I noticed one of them actually being a double spin??

Oh, stop it!

Tony Dingus · Post by **Tony Dingus** » 8 May 2017 6:50 pm

Dale Rivard wrote:Hi Tim, I don't have my steel set up right now so I don't know exactly which string groupings and pedal and knee lever combinations are being used but I believe the first part of the lick starts on the 2nd string lowered a whole tone. Then release to the open note, then raise a half tone, then release, then lower a whole tone again. Then he's re attacking the strings. strings 3,4 & 5, raise 5 a whole tone, then release.

Dale is right. I have those changes on my guitar. Paul lowers his 2nd a whole tone on LKR and raises it a half tone on RKR He also raises his 1st and 7th a whole tone on his RKR.

Tony