9th string lower, how? what?

Wayne Baker · Post by **Wayne Baker** » 6 Jul 2003 6:47 am

E9th, 9th string lower, whats it used for and does anyone have an example?

Thanks,
Wayne Baker

Roger Rettig · Post by **Roger Rettig** » 6 Jul 2003 6:52 am

Check a recent thread (called something like 'That Dang 9th String....') - there are some ideas on there.

An essential 'pull' that really opens up the tuning, in my view!

RR

PS: Check the first three minutes of Tommy White's E9 instruction video - you'll hear it used to great effect on there; there's no analysis, but you'll get the idea...[This message was edited by Roger Rettig on 06 July 2003 at 07:55 AM.]

Tony Prior · Post by **Tony Prior** » 6 Jul 2003 7:14 am

Wayne, yes..this is a nice change..

EXAMPLE:

play on the 3rd fret

strings open 8,7,and 5 ( root D note )

play them all at the same time then hit you E lower lever...resolves to the D chord

now play 5th fret

strings 9,8 and 6 ( Pedal B Root D note )

play them all the same time with pedal B
( or A and B which is most common)
then lower the 9th string 1/2 tone , resolves to the D chord from above.

When you play this off the 10th string with pedals A and B it resolves to the d chord from underneath .

here is my version of Star Spangald Banner where I use this change a little bit.

Remember I'm not a seasoned pro, I'm a seasoned hack.

Star Spangald Banner

There is one phrase where I use it along with the 10th string Pedal A so the 9th and 10th strings resolve in unison.

" By the dawns early light" is the first phrase

"Thru the perilous fight" used again with the unison phrasing as well

happy sunday

tp

[This message was edited by Tony Prior on 06 July 2003 at 08:21 AM.]

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 6 Jul 2003 7:17 am

..actually, Roger, it was Wayne who started the "Dang 9th String" topic recently..

Wayne Baker · Post by **Wayne Baker** » 6 Jul 2003 7:59 am

Yes Pat, I did start the "dang 9th string" string. That one worked out well. I got some excellent ideas. I have been playing for about 120,000,000yrs, I just don't have any imagination. I appreciate all the help with my 9th string.

Thanks,
Wayne Baker

C Dixon · Post by **C Dixon** » 6 Jul 2003 8:23 am

Lowering of the 9th string to a C# should have been on the standard setup from day one IMO. Here is why. The PSG gets much of its uniqueness from being able to resolve from one chord to the other. NOT merely just get chords. Like pianos and regular guitars, etc do.

As such, that D note must resolve in many musical passages. IE, check out the following:

1. Pick strings, 6, 8 and 9

2. Engage the B pedal* and lower the 9th string a half a tone.

You resolved from a Dom7 to a Tonic chord. (If you are from Rio Linda that meand V7 to I Chord

) This change can be used many times in music. Once you have it and begin to use it, I suggest it will be just like any other "needed" change.

I feel the same way about the half-stop D note on the 2nd string. This note NEEDS to resolve as above in many musical situations. That is why I was sooooo pleased to see somebody (PF) raise the 2nd string to an E note. With this, one can again resolve a V7 to a I chord for a nice change on the high strings. IE, strings 2, 3 and 5.

1. pick strings 2, 3 and 5 with the half-stop engaged on the 2nd string.

2. Let off the half stop and raise the 2nd string a half a tone as you engage the A and B pedals.

Try it if you have the PF change.

carl

*NOTE: Engage this change and strum every string beginning with the 9th string, all the way up to and including the 1st string. By having the C#'s on string 9 and 2 and NOT on string 5 with the B pedal makes for a fantastic suspended "ending" chord.

Try it!

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 6 Jul 2003 8:34 am

..I hear ya, Wayne..if I could get away with using a different alias on here everyday, I'd start out with "that dang 1st string" and work my way all the way down both necks..

Wayne Baker · Post by **Wayne Baker** » 6 Jul 2003 11:41 am

Carl, you rock... I mean, well you know. I really appreciate all the help from you guys. I will put all this to good use. And Pat, great idea, but I think I have already let the catfish out of the burlap sack. You guys are awsome for taking time to help me out. Again, Thanks.

Wayne

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 6 Jul 2003 1:42 pm

..right you are, Wayne..I was trying to sneak out the back door without being seen, but you had one of those infrared motion detectors...I'm busted...for being a jerk on my first comment with no good reason for it at all..sorry, and I won't let it happen again..

David L. Donald · Post by **David L. Donald** » 6 Jul 2003 4:35 pm

Carl you indeed rock!
Dawn Breaks Over Marblehead.
There are now several happy homes for the lonely 9th, and some under used levers.

Oh how I wish I had the decades of insight to the PSG you have...
and so gladly and coherently share with us.
Merci.

Jeff A. Smith · Post by **Jeff A. Smith** » 6 Jul 2003 7:54 pm

I have been playing for about 120,000,000yrs, I just don't have any imagination.

But at least you play from and convey an impressive wealth of experience...

Bengt Erlandsen · Post by **Bengt Erlandsen** » 7 Jul 2003 1:54 pm

W the 9th string lowered to C# you get access to 3 of 5 positions for playing a minor pentatonic on all strings.

Em pentatonic
3rd fret w 2&9 - C# (root on 9th string)
8th fret w 2&9 - C# and E's-Eb (root on 6th string)
10th fret w 2&9 - C# and Bpedal (root on 7th string)

Last two pos don't use 9th string lowered
12th fret or open w Bpedal and 1&7 - G (root on 8th string)
5th fret w Bpedal only (root on 10th string)

Note that the position at 12/open has a wrong note on the 2nd string unless you can lower it to D at the same time as raising 1&7 to G

Other than that it is nice to have the root on 9th string (lowered to C# all examples)
and play strings 9b 8 6 5 = m7
or 9b 8# 6 5 = Dom7

Or 9b 8 6# 5 = add9 w 3rd as lowest note

Try this:
Start at 5th fret 9th lowered and A+B pedal
(let all notes ring) play 9 then 8 and 6 and 5 release Apedal and slide to 7th fret while holding Bpedal and 9th lowered to C#. It will sound D Dadd9 Eadd9 ( I really like this chord w the 3rd in the the bass)

Bengt Erlandsen

Wayne Franco · Post by **Wayne Franco** » 8 Jul 2003 1:06 pm

Where is the lowered 9th change usually put?

Pat Burns · Post by **Pat Burns** » 8 Jul 2003 1:43 pm

...mine is on RKR...I think that's fairly standard..

Cory Dolinsky · Post by **Cory Dolinsky** » 8 Jul 2003 2:04 pm

i was messin with this chord last night for playin jazz. its a c minor major 7 11 its lurks somewhere in the melodic minor family.

10 the fret Root on 9th string C :raise the D string to Eb : then the E string to F : then i press pedal C to give me the B note

heres the chord spelled out C Eb F B
Also after that chord you can grab the 10th string which will be A Eb F B then release the C pedal. its kind of a cool sound

Wayne Baker · Post by **Wayne Baker** » 8 Jul 2003 3:18 pm

Carl, If I didn't say it before, I appreciate all of your technical expertise and your willingness to help out.

Thanks,
Wayne

Wayne Baker · Post by **Wayne Baker** » 8 Jul 2003 3:19 pm

That goes for the rest of you guys as well.

Thanks,
Wayne