C6 copedent

Andy Ellison · Post by **Andy Ellison** » 7 May 2014 8:58 pm

Hey there,

I'm finally ordering my first D-10. It's a Mullen Royal Precision.

I have an S10 now and am familiar with E9, but have never touched a C6 neck. I wanted to get some advice from you all on what would be the best copedent for it. Is there a standard C6 copedent? My E9 is set up Jimmy Day style.. will that determine how my C6 should be set up? Thanks in advance!

Andy

Roger Shackelton · Post by **Roger Shackelton** » 7 May 2014 10:15 pm

Hi Andy,

Since You Haven't Owned A D-10 Guitar Previously, Have You Given Any Thought To Purchasing An E9/B6
S-12U Guitar? They Are Not As Heavy As A D-10 Guitar.

Roger

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 8 May 2014 12:30 am

The C6th is standardized a bit closer than E9th.
P4 has kinda fallen into disfavor, raising 4 and 8 to B
P5 raises 10 to D and 9 to F# and lowers 5 to F# (raising 1 to G# if you tune to G)
P6 raises 2 to F and lowers 6 to Eb
P7 raises 3 to D and 4 to B
P8 lowers 10 to A and 9 to E and raises 7 to C# (often raising 1 to Eb if you tune to D)

The standard knee drops 3 to B, and there are other common knees:
Raising 4 (sometimes 8) to Bb (I have this on LKV)
Lowering 4 to Ab
Raising 3 (and sometimes 7) to C#

Now I'd offer the following changes to standard
1) Put P5 on a knee (I have it on LKR). This is because we often use 5 and 7 together and often go quickly from 5 to 8. Putting 5 on a knee minimizes doublefooting or hopping from 5 to 8.
2) Mike Auldridge suggested I use an asymmetric lower of 4 and 8; 4 to Ab and 8 to G, I like it
3)When I had 5 moved to a knee, I moved the others over, and P8 raises 3 and 7 to C#
4) an "inverse P6" raising 6 and lowering 2 could go on LKL

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 8 May 2014 4:13 am

Some food for thought. I've got tons of tabs to back up the uses for the changes below. If you order a basic C6 setup, get an extra knee lever or floor pedal somewhere to experiment with later. It's alot easier and cheaper to add it up front.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 8 May 2014 4:44 am

I second Greg's closing point. I ordered my Zum with P8 on a knee and 5 on the floor. It cost me $200 to have Bruce reorder it later.

Dave Grafe · Post by **Dave Grafe** » 8 May 2014 9:42 am

All that and I answered the wrong question

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 8 May 2014 10:26 am

Dave, I think he's looking for "before I get it, should I depart from the standard minimum. I kinda like Greg's. I'll draw up what I'd do, which is similar, but in different places. I'll drop it in later

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 8 May 2014 10:49 am

This is stolen directly from BuddyEmmons.com, whoever he is. I like the idea of having extra hardware for subsequent experimentation, but in some respects, starting anywhere but here might have you reinventing the wheel.

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 8 May 2014 11:15 am

Ken, the chart you posted nails the essential changes in my mind. That's what I would order on a basic guitar setup.

My C6 chart includes 2 additional lower priority changes and an extra low C to C# change.

The high D to D# change acts a lot like the high F# to G change on the E9th tuning and it comes with no extra pedal/knee requirement.

I like using pedal 4 a lot by itself, with pedal 5 and with the C to B knee lever for a well voiced unison sound.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 8 May 2014 1:21 pm

I think the Emmons setup is actually very good, BUT Buddy doesn't mind double-footing for 5&7 combos or going quickly from 5 to 8.
I really like having 5 on a knee, and only depart from the Emmons setup slightly:
5 is on LKR
Pedals 6-8 move over one (I still call pedal 6 P6, but it lives on 5, et c)
F is on RKR
G lives on the 8th pedal, and it also raises 7 (it and P5 make an A6 chord, the top 9 strings of high G C6th, but down three frets, so I have the high 5 when I want it, and I also have the Dobro licks available, just in A instead of G)
H is RKL, and I also drop 8 to G
I is LKV, also raising 8 to Bb.

Andy Ellison · Post by **Andy Ellison** » 9 May 2014 12:28 pm

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies! I really appreciate your help.

I think I'm leaning going towards a more standard setup.

If I'm only going to do two knee levers for my C6, what should the changes be? probably one that drops string 3 to B and one other. What should the other one be?

thanks!

Ian Rae · Post by **Ian Rae** » 9 May 2014 12:49 pm

In his Basic C6 course Buddy Emmons recommends also raising the 3rd string to C#. Apart from the obvious augmented P6 chord, you can use it with P5 to give an A6, which if you go up 3 frets replaces the voicing lost by the modern habit of tuning string 1 down to D.

Andy Ellison · Post by **Andy Ellison** » 9 May 2014 1:15 pm

So I think what I'm going to do is go with the Buddy's chart that Ken posted except without the 4 string to Ab and 4th string to Bb lever changes.

Does this sound like a good place to start for C6? I don't mind learning to double foot. Seems like a fun challenge

Donny Hinson · Post by **Donny Hinson** » 9 May 2014 1:23 pm

Roger Shackelton wrote:Hi Andy,

Since You Haven't Owned A D-10 Guitar Previously, Have You Given Any Thought To Purchasing An E9/B6
S-12U Guitar? They Are Not As Heavy As A D-10 Guitar.

Roger

Amazing. A guy asks a question about a D10 copedant, and you try to sell him on a U12.

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 9 May 2014 1:54 pm

I'd say it's a crapshoot, whether to put C-C# on RKR or A-Bb. Both are very, very useful. I could live pretty easily without A-Ab, but those two are close to non-negotiable.

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 9 May 2014 4:41 pm

I would miss the A to Bb the most by far. It's so handy that I move it on reflex all over the place.

Greg Cutshaw · Post by **Greg Cutshaw** » 9 May 2014 4:42 pm

I would miss the A to Bb the most by far. It's so handy that I move it on reflex all over the place.

Lane Gray · Post by **Lane Gray** » 9 May 2014 5:06 pm

I don't recommend skipping any of the Emmons knees.

Tim Carlstedt · Post by **Tim Carlstedt** » 11 May 2014 2:40 am

After meeting Buck Reid I would really recommend you checking out his copedent on his website. Pretty standard but he has a really cool 4th pedal that I just put on my Carter. Really musical concept and easy to understand.

Check it out on his site: www.buckreid.com

Andy Ellison · Post by **Andy Ellison** » 14 May 2014 6:53 am

Hey guys,

turns out I'm just going to add a CKL and CKR and go with the Emmons C6 set up

Thanks for your help!

Ken Pippus · Post by **Ken Pippus** » 14 May 2014 11:50 am

Sounds like the right answer. It was good enough for Emmons, whoever he is.

Ryan Williams · Post by **Ryan Williams** » 6 Jan 2026 1:42 pm

What is a good copedent for a guitar with 2 raise and 2 lower changer

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