Widows Updates duplicating

[Skip Cole]

I noticed that the Windows Defender updates that appear on my log are just duplicating the same ones. So far there appears to be about a hunderd or so of
KB915597. And a few other updates have been duplicated also , dating back since Feb. Yep, i'm a bit slow to notice this. Is there any way to delete those duplicated ? I tried to find a Windows help # and gave up before losing what's left of my sanity.
My computer is getting slower or maybe it's me. Any help will be appreciated , thanks.

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[Mitch Drumm]

Skip:

As far as I know, the standard Microsoft recommendation for the home user is to give up on Defender and go with the new free Microsoft Security Essentials instead.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/

I have been using it for 4 or 5 months with no issues.

It auto updates every 24 to 48 hours. I can't even tell it is running. It places a green flag in the lower right near your clock. As long as it is green, you are protected.

I think a Security Essentials installation automatically removes Windows Defender.

[Wiz Feinberg]

Microsoft Security Essentials turns off Windows Defender, it doesn't uninstall it. Should you decide to uninstall MSE you can re-enable Windows Defender.

[Richard Sinkler]

Please explain further what this is. I went to download and install and it said to remove any other anti-virus, spyware, etc programs. I use Trend Micro Internet Security Pro. Does this mean I have to unistall Trend?

[Mitch Drumm]

Richard:

I don't know anything about the Trend product specifically, but what I have read suggests that it is not advisable to use more than 1 real-time anti-virus product as they can interfere with each other.

Microsoft Security Essentials provides real time protection and I assume Trend does also.

I don't know for a fact that those 2 products definitely interfere with each other, however.

For all I know, an installation of MSE may disable Trend?

If you have System Restore, you could uninstall Trend, install MSE, and then use system restore to get back to Trend if you were unhappy with MSE. Or make an image.

Or just install MSE and use System Restore to go back to Trend if needed, without uninstalling Trend first. Who knows, they may not interfere with each other?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_ ... Essentials

More info at above link.

[Skip Cole]

Mitch, the possible conflict between the two , Trend AV and Anti Spyware and Windows Defender ,is what i believe is one of my problems. All the Windows Updates seem to be coming in bunches. I counted over 200 updates with the same serial (?) number, dating back to when i bought my computer 2.5 years ago. That was a Windows Defender Security update. And there are several more UD that are duplicated also. I believe i need to delete or disable something but i'm not sure what or how.
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[Mitch Drumm]

Skip:

I'd certainly guess you don't need both Defender and Trend and the conflict may be causing issues.

Can you uninstall either from Control Panels/add or remove programs?

I assume you have had both for months and can't simply choose a System Restore point that would take you back to the days when you had only 1 product rather than 2?

I assume you paid for Trend?

If so, I'd try to uninstall Defender unless you have particular issues with Trend.

If you want to dump Trend, I'd try to uninstall it and then download and install Microsoft Security Essentials, which should disable Defender, as Wiz said.

Antivirus apps can be hard to get totally rid of, but I don't know if that necessarily applies to Trend or Defender. Do either of those programs have a built-in uninstall option, apart from what may be available in Control Panels?

A quick search at Google:

http://tinyurl.com/yjgljrw

indicates you are not alone in having issues with Defender and that particular update. Defender was known to have issues and that's one reason MS has now released MSE.

[Mitch Drumm]

Skip:

I just looked at the details of my Windows update:





Note the long string of updates ending in the same number (ending with 2696). Is that the type of thing you are seeing??

If so, that's probably normal. It is in my case. Each of those different updates just represents new virus definitions, even though they bear the same KB number.

So, Defender may be working properly. I just wanted to post this picture in case you didn't know that virus definition updates may show the same KB number.

But I'd still be concerned about using 2 real time products.

And I'd nonetheless get rid of Defender because it has been superseded. You should choose between Trend and MSE.

[Skip Cole]

Yes ,That's the issue i was concerned about. The KB# on my log ends in 597. I plan on disabling the Defender and keeping the Trend active and see what happens. Thanks for your time and help and also thanks to Richard and the Wiz for kicking in some info.

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[Richard Sinkler]

I would trust Trend before any garbage that Micro$h!t put out. Hell, they can't get their software right after numerous updates and security patches. It would be nice to see just one piece of microcrap software work flawlessly right out of the box. Those egotistical, overpaid, half-ass poor excuses for programmers should be unemployed and returned to their respective countries.

[John Cipriano]

Not everything with the same KB number is the same patch. The cumulative ones (for instance, Malicious Software Removal Tool) get pushed out every month with the same KB number. I wouldn't be concerned about the updates unless they're failing.

edit: whoops, Mitch just said as much.

Think of the KB number as a pointer to the page in the Knowledge Base that describes the patch. There are other numbers associated with the patches, but that one doesn't change in cases where the same patch goes through multiple revisions.